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Lessons Learned Making Home DVDs

 

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My DVD Authoring & Digital Camera Experience blog

My epinions.com Pinnacle Studio Review

Question: Has anyone tried Sony Screenblast?  I tried to get a trial copy to review, but they would not give me one.

It is a pleasure when you produce crystal-clear DVDs with motion menus, great text, fancy effects, and even rolling credits which are easily copied for family and friends and will last 100 years without degrading.  It is possible for an amateur to produce a movie with menus and effects which rival a Hollywood production.

One would think that in today's day and age the whole DVD authoring thing would be easy and fast, but it is neither.  It takes 2-5 hours minimum to go from your one-hour recorded tape to your burned DVD, and that is only if things go well and you have a fast machine.  Hopefully things will work flawlessly for you the first time.  With today's offerings, things often do not go well.  When the programs do not crash, they get your audio and video unacceptably out of sync.  Or they produce horribly grainy or strobed video or ugly menus.  When you become proficient, expect to spend an hour or more capturing, 20 mins editing, 2-8 hours encoding, and 1/4 to one hour burning.  Some programs have direct-to-DVD features, but they also often suffer from the aforementioned problems.

Unfortunately the slickest programs which you would think would work the best for you are often buggy and can easily waste a hundred hours of your valuable time.  Makes me wonder if they are just biding their time until Microsoft Movie Maker can burn DVDs and thus put many of them out of business.  Of course, I would be willing to pay a reasonable amount (say $200) for a reliable program that meets all of my requirements (2-pass VBR, compressed 2-channel dolby digital audio, great menus etc.)

I hope that this document can give you some insight into my experiences and thus save you some major frustration. 

Before you buy any of these products, make sure that you can return it if it fails to work for you and check usenet groups (rec.video.desktop) to know what you are getting into.  Several folks have indicated that some analog capture products completely corrupted their operating system installation.  You can also check the the vendor's user forums (see product review table), but you need to be advised that valid bug observations comments often end up being removed (here's why). 

When reading advice, be advised that some folks are naive enough to believe that because a particular product works for them that you must be doing something wrong, when in fact you may not be.  When trying to fix a problem, follow advice about enabling DMA (not applicable for newer WIndows versions) and setting particular settings in a program, but keep in mind that you may actually be experiencing an actual product bug which you have no chance at overcoming until a fix is available.  Try other products before investing too much time getting an ornery product to work.  What works for others may not work for you and vice versa.  Keep regular backups of your computer.

Hopefully these products will mature quickly.

Good Luck!

 

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Contents

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Introduction

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Survey

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What's New

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Overview of DVD Authoring Steps

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My DVD Authoring Needs

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Recommendations

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Sources for DVD Media

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Standalone DVD Player Considerations

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My Experiences

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Tips

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Product Review Table

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My Digital Video Camera Choice

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Useful Links

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Vendor Links

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A Word About Vendor Product forums

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My 16:9 Experiment

 

 

What's New

December 8, 2003 Added some media retailers recommended.  Check out my dvd blog for more updates

August 15, 2003

The ESBUY 4X would not burn at 4X, and when it did, it wouldn't play.  I burned at 2X and it played fine.

July 3, 2003

The Americal 4X would burn in my burner (more often than not), but would not play on my player (5 other brands have worked fine so far).  So, back to ESBUY for me.

June 18, 2003

Studio 8.7.23 beta produced another audio out of sync dvd coaster.  All input was digital-only, so not sure what corrupted it.

Latest cheapest 4X DVD-R with white labels - 50 pack at Americal for $72 (including ground shipping). esbuy.com lost at $88 (with ground shipping).

May 1, 2003

Updated several sections.  Clarified Requirements

Feb 14, 2003

Update on my Pinnacle web board experience

Feb 11, 2003

Pinnacle removed my user account and the forum entry on their web boards where I was sharing the problems I was having with Studio 8.  

Feb 10, 2003

Added Compiled Poll Results

Feb 4, 2003

Simplified the form to make the results page more readable.  

Tried to fix tables based on formatting feedback from folks. I have made  the fonts smaller.

Feb 3, 2003

Added feedback forms.  

Jan 30, 2003

Pinnacle acknowledged in an email that they have a capture problem.  If you have a new machine with XP Home and can capture with audio in sync with the Pinnacle Expression demo or some other program, then don't waste your time trying to workaround problems with Studio captures because their capture code is crap.

I now recommend a VBR minimum bitrate of more than 0 with pad enabled, because I noticed some funkiness on my dvd player where the audio would stop when the video went to a zero bitrate.  I am going to go for 1000-2000 on mine.

Jan 29, 2003

Updated some comments on passthrough

 

 

Overview of processing phases (capture, edit, encode, menus, createDvdFiles, burn)

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Capture video from camera to disk.  Your capture program should put raw, full quality DV video and audio on disk, usually stored as an *.avi file.  It is not desirable to store your capture in MPEG (as some programs try to do) because it lowers quality.  Time: same as source amount of video.  1 hour of video is a 1 hour capture (It would be cool if it could capture 2X or higher, but many can't even do 1X reliably)

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Edit: Split into chapters, trim footage.  Time: Depends on how fancy you get, say 5 mins - 30 mins.

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Encode from captured format to DVD-legal MPEG-2.  If video exceeds 60 mins, then you can use variable bit rate (VBR) to typically achieve high quality DVD.  If 60 mins or less, then constant bitrate encoding (CBR) is fine because you don't need to conserve DVD space and CBR can be done in half the 2-pass VBR time.  Time to process: 2 to 10 hours.  If you use one of the direct-to-dvd programs, then it will start encoding in the background while you are capturing, so you are ahead of the game timewise.
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A word about video:  One-Pass VBR results in strobing effects during video motion, as does any Constant Bitrate Encoding (CBR) less than 6000-7000 Kbps.  It is my observation that 2 hours of video encoded with 2-Pass VBR (1000 Kbps minimum, 4200 avg, 8000 max) from a high-quality encoder results in the same quality as 8000 Kbps CBR for your typical home video needs. The tradeoff is encoding time versus buying less disks.

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A word about audio:  PCM format is most compatible, but I have found that the players capable of playing DVD-Rs are usually capable of handling MPEG encoded audio.  MPEG encoded audio is more than 4 times smaller.  So, try this first because it makes more room for video.  The money you save on blank DVDs will pay for a new DVD player.

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Create menus.  Time: 5 mins - 30 mins.

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Create DVD files (video_ts subdirectory with .ifo and other files).  Time: 15 mins to 1 hour

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Burn DVD:  Time:  1X = 1 hr, 2X=30mins, 4X=15 mins; add time if you are multitasking on the machine.

 

 

My Requirements (in priority order; many may seem obvious)

 

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Sound must be in sync with audio for long captures and during final result. Seems obvious, but this has been the source of many problems for me and for countless others with all of the programs on the market.  This applies to digital and analog sources.

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Encoder must produce high quality video and must have support for 2-Pass Variable bitrate encoding (VBR).  This allows you to encode 2 hours of video with relatively high quality and no strobe effects during video motion.  I was thinking that these vendors have been afraid to cannabilize their higher end products by moving advanced features into the lower end products, but it is equally likely that they have to keep the products simple so that the average (or maybe even the less experienced) users will keep themselves out of trouble.

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Program should be robust: should not crash, should not disappear, should have detailed debugging information.  Failures must not corrupt project file (Pinnacle Studio has corrupted several of my more "invested" projects)

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Support 16:9 (It appears that MiniDV cameras just throw away bits to do 16:9, which is not desirable to me.)
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Set appropriate bits so that 4:3 TVs will use anamorphic presentation.  See also

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Support 16:9 menus and transitions

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Capture must support AV-DV passthrough.  This means using my firewire-attached Sony DCR-TRV25 in AV->DV mode without a MiniDV tape in it would capture live video to support 8mm film capture and analog input to video capture.  MiniDV holds 60 minutes full quality of tape and my old 8mm tapes hold 2hrs of analog data.  This is not just a "camera supporting passthrough" issue. Certainly the camera must support it, but the real issue is that when a camera supports programmatic control via firewire, many programs will *only* capture when they take control. Thus, for a program to support "passthrough" in my book, it must allow capture of "live" input as opposed to forcing "play" of the tape in the device. Some programs will allow you to tape live input if you remove the tape and others will complain that you removed the tape.  Here is one person's tip (USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!) on modifying a registry entry to enable passthrough on some programs by "dumbing down" the driver. 
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Some of the challenges that Pinnacle and others have with regards to audio synchronization issues are caused, in part, by framing sequence and audio dropout issues from the source analog devices.  Apparently these issues are the same whether you are using a analog video (AV) capture card or a video camera which supports AV capture.  Sources which are continuous (one long recording session and not a bunch of overlapping or gapped sessions) are less likely to experience problems.

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Capture program must be able to capture 2 hours of full DV format in one single file (25 GB) with audio in sync.

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Capture program must support timed Capture.  Ie - stop after 2 hours of capture.

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Menus should support animated backgrounds, animated thumbnails, and must not be grainy

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Chapters should be easy to place within AVIs or mpegs.  

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Menu button still image or beginning of  animation must be selectable within the clip.

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Should include slideshow capability
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Support at least 10 DVD chapters and an unlimited number of stills within a chapter.  

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DVD Section points should be evenly distributed within the chapter (1 per image when under 99 and evenly distributed when more than 99 images).  

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DVD Variable bitrate encoding should be used to maximize number of stills placed.  

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When used in a PC
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A viewer should be packaged on the DVD.  Preferably one that require no installation.

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The viewer should be autolaunched and start a slideshow on the PC.

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Originals should be packaged in a nice, hierarchical subdirectory layout on the DVD.

 

My computer

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HP 753N, which came with...
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Pentium 4, 2.53GHz

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80GB HDD, ultradma with DMA enabled; all HDDs both have very good xfer rates 40-55Mbps

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3 1394 firewire ports

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6 USB2.0 ports

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120GB Maxtor 7200 RPM ultradma HDD (with dma enabled)

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80GB firewire drive

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Sony firewire DVD writer DRX500UL

 

 

Recommendations

To conserve DVDs or for Videos more than an hour ( to get ideal quality)

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I have used this successfully for twenty over-one-hour DVD projects as of February 2nd, 2003.  I made about five copies of each project (home movies to share with family).  I have also taken about ten 2-3 hour movies off of Dish Network and used this process to create a single DVD with apparently the same quality as the source (not as good as a real, 2 layer movie DVD, but as good as the Dish Network version).

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Capture with Dazzle's DVD Complete (supports passthrough and timed capture).  Abort mpeg encode and find the temp avi file placed in the "\Dazzle Content\Temp" directory and rename or move it somewhere else on that disk (so it will do a fast move).

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Encode with TMPGEnc using these tips
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video with TMPGENC (2 pass VBR, 4200 Kbps avg, 1000 Kbps min, 8000 Kbps max)
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Use the wizard to get the best quality. Set the audio to mpeg less than 128 kbps, set 2 pass VBR, and then tell it to consume 99% of a DVD disk.  This seems to be the shortcut.

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Generate Elementary Streams (audio and video in separate files)

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I have found that TMPGenc is more reliable if multitasking is off.

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If less than 2 hours, optionally calculate your average VBR based on source time using the Bitrate Calculator.  For 2 hours of source video, use about 3600kbps for your average bit rate if using PCM audio or about 4200 for 384kbps Layer II MPEG audio.  

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Note that 2-pass VBR takes a very long time.  Two hours of source on my 2.53 GHz machine reading from one hard drive, writing to another, and using a third for temp area, with no filters, it takes over 8 hours to encode.  Add sharpening or other filters will make it longer.

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My 16:9 experiment

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My Pioneer DVD player has a button to display the bitrate as the video is playing.  It is interesting to watch the scene changes max out the bitrate while the rest of the time it stays around the average.  It doesn't seem to get near the minimum, even when there is little motion.  I am not sure if that is a bug in the dvd player's display algorithm or some feature of TMPGEnc.

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audio with tooLame as TMPGENC plugin.  Note that this is not as portable as PCM audio, so try it out in your player.  I tried having TMPGENC output PCM audio and having DVD Complete encode it into MPEG, but ended up with out-of-sync audio.  Use around 100K bps for mpeg audio.  You don't need much more than that.

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Use DVD Complete to import the resulting elementary streams, create chapter points, and create DVD File.

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Use another program to burn so that you can multitask. Move the resulting AUDIO_TS (empty, but required by some DVD players) and VIDEO_TS to another directory.

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TIPS for getting the most done fast (extreme multitasking)
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If you have a really fast machine (test before you invest time and find out you are dropping frames during capture or creating DVD "coasters" - try rewritable DVDs during test).  If your machine is not up to snuff, then skip these tips.

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Run TMPGEnc with low priority.  WinXP does a good job of letting it consume the CPU's idle time.  To run it too high will result in dropped frames or bad DVD burns.

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Fully exploit TMPGEnc's batch capabilities.  I often have 12-24 hours of work queued up for it.  To add a newly-captured job while TMPGEnc is already running, open a second TMPGEnc program instance and create the project as desired.  Go back to the batch that is currently running on the first instance (don't select batch or try to "add to batch" from the second instance or you might crash the first instance) and Click "Add".  Then select the new project file you created and it will get to it in due time.

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I have found that I can capture, burn DVDs, and run TMPGEnc all at the same time.  However, after a while something seems to get hosed and I have to reboot (likely this was due to my dvd burner using usb and I have not experienced it when the dvd burner is using firewire).  But, the reboot is cheap compared to the time I am saving.

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Buy a DVD-R drive and media capable of writing 4X, so you can burn 4 discs per hour.  Buy a few 1X's if they are cheaper for when you burn before bed or leaving.

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I often mpeg encode several different captures before continuing to see which ones I can fit together to make the most use of a DVD.  

 

Alternative for video less than an hour in length

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No need to use variable bitrate encoding (VBR) with less than an hour, because the maximum bitrate can be used. 

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Use  Sonic's MyDVD or Dazzle's DVD Complete, especially to do direct-to-dvd burns, though quality may suffer.

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Or Use Pinnacle Studio if you can get it to work.  Don't buy unless you can return & return it promptly if you have problems.   

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Encoding takes in the 3 hour range on my machine.

 

For Slideshows

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With over 20 gigabytes of digital pictures and low-quality digicam mpegs, I would really like to archive these onto DVD as described in the requirements section above.

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ULead Pictureshow appears to be the best choice here, but it does not appear to use variable bitrate encoding, thus the DVD representation of the image collection is the same size as the 3 megapixel original size of the image collection.  I need to do some more research here.  PS creates true dvd video files and has a very nice multi-directory import capability.  It also has a built-in PC player (for when you distribute it to others), though I haven't tried it yet.  Their manuals are available online and appear to be of high quality.

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Using Microsoft Movie Maker to create an AVI from the stills and then using TMPGENC to 2-pass VBR encode, I ended up with a much smaller DVD representation and similar quality as ULead PS.  Microsoft Movie Maker has some nice effects, though it did crash occasionally when working with mpeg files from my Sony DSC-S75 (digital still camera).  Of course, this takes much more of my time to compose than it would in PS.

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Dazzle's OnDVD is kind of a misnomer because it creates CD VCDs which can be played in many DVD players.  I could not find information on whether the resolution (image quality) is the same or info on whether it could create this same SVD on DVD media and fully utilize the DVD media.  Any input here would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

Sources for DVD Media

Shop around because prices go down every week.  CHECK my weblog for the my latest price finds and any burning or playing problems.  In Jan 2003, I found in bulk the lowest 4X DVD-R at esbuy.com ($2 each - have burned 75), and lowest 1X DVD-R at Americal.com ($0.85 each - have burned 30).  Write your DVD attempts to DVD-RW first to minimize the number of DVD-R coasters.  DVD+R is advertised more player compatible, but I have not found that to be the case, and DVD+R writing maxes out at 2.4X in many cases while DVD-R can go 4X.  Sony just released a 4X DVD+R firmware update for their drives.

 

Users have submitted these media retailers:  allmediaoutlet.com,   meritline.com, rima.com

 

Where have you found inexpensive media to which you have successfully burned & played on a standalone player? 

DVD Player Considerations

Not all standalone DVD players will work with your burned DVD.  I have a 2 year old Pioneer which plays DVD-R and DVD+RWs with the audio mpeg-encoded. My dad's 1 year old Sony would not play any of my produced DVD-Rs, DVD+Rs, DVD+RW, even with PCM audio.  My aunt's 1 year old (unsure of brand) would not play DVD-R. My one year old laptop will read & play DVD-Rs (had to use newer DVD player software), but not DVD+RWs.  My new HP computer's DVD reader will read & play DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD+RW.

 

Keep in mind that the problems may be related to the DVD media type (-R, +R, +RW) or it could be menu or bitrate incompatibility.  Also, I have read that some players require the AUDIO_TS directory on the DVD even if it is empty (which it always is for me).

 

 

 

Experiences

As of May, 2003, I found no clear winner for start- to- finish home DVD authoring.  However, I have found winners in each processing phase:

Capture:  DVD Complete

Edit: (am not really editing due to no winner with my ideal solution)

Encode:  TMPGenc

Menus: (no winner here, though I have settled on DVD Complete since I use it for the next step)

Create DVD Files: DVD Complete

Burn:  Veritas' RecordNow (DVD Complete works, but I like to multitask)

Every offering had one or more serious limitations or bugs, some worse than others.

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Dazzle's DVD Complete (capture, edit, encode, menus, createDvdFiles, burn)
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This was my choice for video capture, though I always aborted the capture after renaming raw captured AVI file.

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One of the best features of this product is that it will leave audio and video files alone which are already properly encoded for DVD (it will not re-encode using its own mpeg engine).  Audio and video should be processed into separate output files.

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If you get jaggies on your menu thumbnails, change the thumbnail to some interior video point.

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Things the vendor should address to be viable or competitive
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MPEG 2 encoding should not happen after every capture.  I want it to store raw AVI and let me do the MPEG encoding later (externally or internally). 

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Support 2-pass VBR.

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Better interface for separating a single movie file into scenes.  Studio does it better.

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The menus are ugly and grainy.  I don't want to "upgrade" to get more menus because I might end up with no good menus but just more crappy ones.

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Need to show number of dropped frames during capture!!!

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Add slideshow support to bundled versions

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Make slideshow function equivalent to Ulead's Pictureshow and add in 2-Pass VBR to allow hours of slideshow.

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Pinnacle Studio 8 (capture, edit, encode, menus, createDvdFiles, burn)
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Would be the king of the world if it was not the least reliable program in the history of mankind. 

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I own a copy, but cannot use it due to multiple problems which I have spent easily over a hundred hours trying to resolve using forums, etc.  

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The splitting of captured AVIs into scenes is better, faster, easier than other programs (if capture worked on fast XP machines)

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Only imports type 2 DV AVI files.  Since captures were off, I tried other programs to capture and only Expression and Scenalyzer would capture to a supported codec. Now that someone pointed out the type 2 distinction, I might be able to coax MS WMM to capture to the right encoding.

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Things the vendor should address to be viable or competitive
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First, a question for Pinnacle - why does Studio have such a crappy capture engine when the Expression engine does fine (except that Expression does not support passthrough)?????

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Capture drops frames when other capture programs on same machine do not drop frames

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MUST FIX: Program often traps or just disappears

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MUST FIX: Captured audio VERY out of sync with video AND will not use AVI files captured with other programs <sigh>

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MUST FIX: Program disappears when you have insufficient space on the destination, source, or temp drive

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Pixela (capture, edit, encode)
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Came with Sony MiniDV camera

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Things the vendor should address to be viable or competitive
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Will not do passthrough (even though camera it came with does)!!!!

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Will only capture 4GB (20 mins) at a time and capture must be restarted for next 20 mins

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Poor user interface

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ULead DVD Movie Factory ( capture, edit, encode, menus, createDvdFiles, burn)
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Would not capture for me.  Error - "Failed to build preview graph"

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Looks like passthrough would be supported if I could get capture to work.

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Microsoft Movie Maker (MSMM) (capture, edit)
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Only useful for capturing and editing video

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Creates cool rolling credits, etc.

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Does not do passthrough.  Error:  "There is no tape in your DV device.  Please insert a tape ..."

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TMPGENC didn't do well with the audio captured with MSMM.  I could have played around with codec, but gave up.

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Won't make DVDs or DVD menus (if it does someday, then expect this market to collapse).

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 MyDVD (capture, encode, menus [split files only], createDvdFiles, burn)
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Will take TMPGENC output mpegs and not try to re-MPEG them, but will always re-encode to PCM audio.

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Will not permit you to specify chapters or sections in a input file.  You have to split these up in advance.

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Requires main menu.  Bummer because it looks kind of lame when you only have 1 2-hour video clip menu item.

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Things the vendor should address to be viable or competitive
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Support chapter selection within a source file (like DVD Complete allows)

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Support mpeg-encoded audio (for import and as built-in encoding option)

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I have done some direct-to-dvd where the sound ends up out of sync.  I did not notice this when avis where used as input source.

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Make slideshow function equivalent to Ulead's Pictureshow (unlimited images per chapter) and add in 2-Pass VBR to allow hours of slideshow.

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ScenalyzerLive
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For $33 a very useful purchase

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They need to fix the stop capture timers as they do not work and it is very annoying to not be able to kick off a 2 hour capture before going to bed

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Captures in a variety of formats, including input into studio with scenes.  I recommend Type2 DV-avi file for TMPGENC input. 

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Pinnacle should give you this application for free with Studio, since it actually works

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Moviestar (??capture, edit, encode, menus, createDvdFiles, burn)
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Used it, but don't remember any details.  Seems like there were some problems.

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ShowBiz (capture, edit, encode)
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Used it, but don't remember any details.  Seems like there were some problems.

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RecordNow (burn)
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Usually does well.  Came with Sony DVD burner (had to download free DX upgrade using DLA link from installation program, the one that came with it did not work correctly).

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I have to reboot after a bad disk is created because it seems to continue to produce coasters after failure.

 

 

 

 

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My Digital Video Camera Choice

 

I chose a Sony DCR-TRV25 MiniDV camera.  It records with better resolution than the TRV18 and I didn't see the need to pay $100 for a larger screen in the TRV27.  The MicroMV format is not supported by many programs yet, and those that do seem to require Windows XP.   I am pleased with my 3 megapixel Sony DSC-S75 digital still camera, so I didn't need any higher still resolution for stills on my video camera.  Digital 8 cameras seemed larger.  I have used the S-Video inputs to record from my Dish Network receiver and the rca video in to record old 8mm tapes via my old camera. I was pleased that my Sony DCR and DSC cameras can share the small version of battery.  

 

Tips

bulletKeep backups in case you scratch a DVD.  I keep two DVD folders - one for primaries and one for backups.  Give copies to relatives in case your house burns down.
bulletI read that you should only write on the transparent ring of the DVD, otherwise the ink might damage the written data over time.  If you use labels, be careful applying them, because read failures will occur if it is not perfectly centered, due to the rotation speed.
bulletMiniDV standard play mode (SP) is the most reliable.  LP pushes the limits of the media, and if you ever have heads replaced (even on your same unit), then your tapes may be unreadable.
bulletMy Sony DVD burner appears to behave much better when firewire connected and a recent PC magazine article indicates that firewire is typically faster than USB for attaching media.  I went the USB route thinking that it would be good to avoid loading too many devices on the firewire controller (DVD burner, hard disk drive, camera).  When the burner is USB connected, it seems to get stuck in "create coaster mode" after about 8 burns. It may be a result of my multitasking, but that should not account for it getting stuck.  It seems to take a reboot (gracefully terminating, removing, and re-inserting the USB connection doesn't seem to cut it), so maybe it is a driver problem (no updates were available at the time of this writing).
bulletPossibly the cause of the problem in the previous paragraph, my Win XP Home explorer.exe gets stuck at 99% CPU utilization and starves all other process out whenever I move or delete a large .avi file.  Someone on Google gave this tip and I kill explorer.exe whenever this happens and use the Run option on the Windows Task Manager to start a new explorer.exe.
bulletIf you want to archive high quality video, some have suggested 30 minute 15MBps mpegs (which should compress your AVI by over half).  You can't play them in a standard dvd player, but they should have a high enough quality that you can use them as high quality source for later projects if you find out your current production is botched.  I have no experience with this tip, so I am unsure which programs will successfully import such an encoded archive.

 

Useful Links

DVD Demystified

ABCDV

adamwilt.com

TMPGEnc Tips

Bitrate calculator

Another User's DVD Authoring Guide

Recipe 4 DVD has some good video overviews if you are just starting out

VirtualDub: AVI joiner     Another     Another

Digital Video Forum

DV Doctor

High Video

Editstudio will convert avi types

usenet threa